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cjs65		#141	[-]
Posts: 269 (10/06/08 06:34:23) Ghast Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Well, curiosity got the better of me and I looked at that thread on RPGNet. Sometimes the internet can be a bad, bad thing. At least it used to be more difficult for the loonies to make themselves heard before the advent of www.ravingnutter.com. Nice to see that Melan jumped in with a defence. I was half tempted to register, make my one post telling them what a bunch of pathetic losers they are and get banned. Then I decided I had better things to do with my time - Like finding some wet paint so I could watch it dry, maybe. Support your local O.A.F. Old-school Admirers of Fourth edition. Currently giving my players a hard time in the Temple of Elemental Evil, 4E style.
Orcus		#142	[-]
Posts: 5006 (10/06/08 08:57:16) Demon Lord Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I dont understand where people are getting that I have changed my position. I have not done a turnaround. I have not changed positions on 4E. I still support 4E. I just think there are things it needs. Upgrades. Add ons. Ones that, to me, are important. Might not be important to others. I am not anti-4E. I think the problem is that the current mindset that people are either 100% with you or are "haters" has stifled all logic and reason. I am not a hater just because I think the game is not 100% perfect FOR ME as written. That doesnt make me a hater or a non-supporter. It doesnt make my decision to work on alternate rules a change in my view of 4E. I like 4E. Alot. It does alot of stuff right, like I have said before. And, as I predicted before, it did some stuff wrong--or at least to me it is wrong. I dont mean to speak for everyone (though people apparently think I do). I want to fix the things that I percieve it does wrong. I have not changed my position here in any way. Clark
Orcus		#143	[-]
Posts: 5007 (10/06/08 09:14:44) Demon Lord Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	meomwt wrote: Firstly, let me say Kudos to Orcus, having been so long on the forefront of the 4E revolution, having been riding that pony, then coming out and saying "Actually, it isn't what I want." There were a number of threads where Clark was defending the new game against the vitriol of the 3E types, and doing a great job, I'd like to say, that for him to turn round now and say this is almost a Damascene revolution. Now, while I'm more than happy to play 3.5E for a while, and I've got plenty of adventures to run in that system, having skim-read parts of 4E I have to say that there are things I am impressed with and might be able to use. I think I've said this in other posts on the topic. Reading between the lines, it sounds as if Clark and I are coming to the same conclusion re. 4E from different starting points. Anyway, suffice it to say, I have a great deal of interest in this project, and anything Clark can do do make 4E playable, and bring back the soul of D&D to what is a bloated system which complicates the simple classes (Fighter, I'm looking at you) and Nerfs the Magical Types, then I'm all for it. Anyway, if it means we get to see the Iron Tower AP sooner rather than later, that's got to be a good thing Clark, I'm about to send you a message over the board's messaging system (if I can work out how it runs). Keep an eye out for it! Look, I have not done a turn around. I just dont get this whole thought process. I support the 4E revolution. Still do. I believe in advancement of the game. You guys have seen my philosophy on this hundreds of times. But that said, even though I support 4E and advancement doesnt mean that I have to find that 100% of 4E is good and that, by supporting advancement, I am somehow prohibited from saying there are things about 4E that dont work. I am not "criticizing" 4E by saying there are things about it I dont like or things I think can be improved. Well, I guess in some sense I am, but then no game is perfect and I dont understand the mindset that requires me to support every part of 4E all the time under all circumstances and never say I want to change any part of it ever or I am "criticizing" and a "hater" and "anti-4E" and "have done a turn around." Clark Last Edited By: Orcus 10/06/08 10:19:53. Edited 1 times.
Dark Mistress		#144	[-]
Posts: 1478 (10/06/08 09:40:58) Dominatrix Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Stop using logic Clark, you know logic was banned from the interweb back in the 90's when it became a tool for the unwashed masses. Geez, logic.... logic my ass. You have to spout hate and nonsense to be taken seriously on the interweb, you would think as a demon lord you would know this. But guess it is a age thing, being a few thousand years old and makes it hard for you to keep up with modern social aspects of the antipersonal interweb. You know the place you can be anonymous and pretend like you know something and state opinions as facts and not treat others as real people. I mean not like you will ever meet them and no fear or repercussions. I mean really. Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. Benjamin Franklin For MSG - I am sure you can teach a monkey to scratch his butt, just tell him to watch you. After a couple of hours he should be a master at it.
Orcus		#145	[-]
Posts: 5008 (10/06/08 10:19:26) Demon Lord Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	By the way, I am not criticizing meomwt either Meomwt is a cool guy. Sorry it was his post that I responded to about this issue. Has nothing to do with him. I'm just saying that everyone seems to think I have changed my tune on 4E and I havent at all. I love it. I played it. Having played it, I learned a few things about it. The feel of certain things isnt right for me (YMMV). That doesnt mean I now dont like it. But I want to make some changes.
kenmckinney		#146	[-]
Posts: 1665 (10/06/08 10:29:12) Necromancer Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	For a long time now I have felt that many of the 4E boosters were incredibly overzealous. I even considered the possibility that there might be some part of guerilla marketing campaign being employed by WoTC on EnWorld. And now they've now gone from merely attacking the 4E naysayers, to attacking one of their most consistent non-WoTC supporters, for the thought crime of saying that some things in 4E weren't for him. Clark, the only mistake you made was in apologising to those fools. Well, and in letting WOTC string you along for so long. Ken
Orcus		#147	[-]
Posts: 5009 (10/06/08 11:39:20) Demon Lord Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I dont mind appologizing. I shouldnt have used the anime reference. It was painting with too broad of a brush and, while I didnt really think about it, I can see why it offended people who frankly I didnt even intend to offend. Now, had I intended to offend them I wouldnt have appologized, but I didnt so I did. Plus, I dont have a negative view of anime either as a genre or a medium so it doesnt even reflect my actual position on the matter. Hey, when I express myself poorly I can be man enough to admit it.
Snoring Rock		#148	[-]
Posts: 745 (10/06/08 11:54:22) Eternally Unspanked Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Yes Orcus, thank you for that; and I would like to be man enough to stand and say that I do not like anime. I find myself making faces at times at some of the Pathfinder art, as the material is poluted with it to a certain extent. Cant stand it! However, to each his own. I suppose it could be that I stopped watching cartoons before anime and the invasion of such. So when I see it, I feel like, like, well, like my game is being over-run by little young'ns. Mmmmmmakes me crazy to see these 3ft.-long eared elves with big jagged hard ice-cube hair expecting to be taken seriously..... whipper-snappers.
Dark Mistress		#149	[-]
Posts: 1479 (10/06/08 12:16:44) Dominatrix Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	See i am the other way around. I like a lot of anime far from all of it or even half of it. I also like the pathfinder semi anime look to it. But to me when someone says a game is like anime to me that means it is high powered to often silly levels. A bit more over the top than your typical action movie. Which I like to watch but meh not a fan of games that play that way. Now your just reading into things Snore and who or what likes anime and what exactly it means. tsk tsk. But just ignore Snore the rest of us do. why am I posting this? just to take a shot at snore. Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. Benjamin Franklin For MSG - I am sure you can teach a monkey to scratch his butt, just tell him to watch you. After a couple of hours he should be a master at it.
DnDChick		#150	[-]
Posts: 10250 (10/06/08 12:47:59) Demon Queen of Templates Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I like a lot of the art in the Pathfinder beta book, but I must admit that I had an exasperated eye-roll at the ridiculous foot-wide sword the barbarian girl had slung over her shoulder. Big eyes, freaky hair, and long-eared elves don't bother me... that stupid sword style does... Erica (that chick that helps Scott ... ) Necromancer Games: 3rd edition rules, 1st edition feel! True20: True fun, true excitement, true adventure: True20!
JRRNeiklot		#151	[-]
Posts: 518 (10/06/08 13:11:55) Spectre Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Don't apologize, Clark. Anime IS crap. I detest it. Putting some stupid chic with eyes bigger than her waist, and a sword that couldn't be wielded by a storm giant on the cover of a book is just a good way to get me not to even open the cover, nevermind buy the damn thing. Although I might kick it under the counter when the clerk isn't looking to save some poor schmuck from wasting his money on it. Lord Prufrock of the Maimed Knights of the Southron Kingdom C&C Society
JoeGKushner		#152	[-]
Posts: 7167 (10/06/08 13:13:54) Demi Lich Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	But not all anime follows that pattern. It's like saying all fantasy is crap. Way too broad a brush.
Snoring Rock		#153	[-]
Posts: 746 (10/06/08 13:18:45) Eternally Unspanked Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Dont get me completely off this, I do like Pathfinder art. But it does dip into the anime "over the top" as Mistress puts it, hard-looking hair and that big wide sword. Those ears, though kind of fun to look at, are not at the ears of an advanced race who move well through the trees. That said, I like it until it gets too over the top. And yes, it seems anime----over-powered. Its the feel that anime (too much of) gives me. It makes it feel less like my D&D and more like Pokemon. I do not like Pokemon. I am too old. I can imagine that look might attract that generation. That could be why we see more of it, especially the over-the-top art in 4e. It was marketed to a younger, more Pokemon leveld generation. Ok go ahead and attack me, but I have the right to an opinion. I like Pathfinder because it does not go too far in this respect. But those pics on the races section of the Beta....just kill me. The dwarf looks right proud to be there in his undies.
Keeper of the Dark Realms		#154	[-]
Posts: 4423 (10/06/08 13:34:01) Master of Rules and Sinister Beasts Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Snoring Rock wrote: Yes Orcus, thank you for that; and I would like to be man enough to stand and say that I do not like anime. Same here. I can't really stand it. At all. Scott =============== Necromancer Games www.necromancergames.com
TheRavyn		#155	[-]
Posts: 1429 (10/06/08 13:54:53) Vampire Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Meh, saying anime is crap is like saying fantasy is crap or movies is crap - there's far too much of it of far varying degrees of quality to say yay or nay to the genre as a whole. There's a world of difference between stuff like Cowboy Bebop and Spirited Away and stuff like Pokemon and Sailor Moon. Hell, even some of the lower quality stuff like Star Blazers had its merits... Dungeons and Dragons: Rules for Fantastic Medieval Wargames Campaigns Playable with Paper and Pencil and Miniature Figures (from cover of 1974 boxed set) Join the O.A.F - Old School 4E Needs You!
kenmckinney		#156	[-]
Posts: 1666 (10/06/08 14:38:38) Necromancer Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I like Akira. Which has no big swords or huge eyes. It probably does have spiky hair somewhere though. I also like the Studio Ghibli stuff. But, I pretty much dislike all the other Anime I've ever seen. And yeah, the pathfinder 'huge eyes, huge sword, leather straps, and spiky hair' thing puts me off. I wish that Paizo had a more traditional art direction. Ken
Dark Mistress		#157	[-]
Posts: 1480 (10/06/08 14:48:44) Dominatrix Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Ok two comments. 1) Cowboy Bebop rocks 2) the barb chick with the big sword. That is actually explained in her history. It is a gaints sword she got and took that one feet that lets you use weapons one size bigger than normal. Of course you don't know that by the pic. I agree I don't like the sword much either even with the explination even if it makes sense rules wise. I did like the pic cause she has scars on her like a warrior should have regardless of gender. One of the few pics I have seen of a female warrior with scars. Oh yeah and I like the big elf ears, I always hated the vulcan ears on elves I like them to look less human and more otherworldly personally but thats just personal tastes. Oh course now we are steer off topic and into art... which is fun to discuss. Oh and Snore didn't even respond to me taking a shot at him, obviously i don't abuse him enough. Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. Benjamin Franklin For MSG - I am sure you can teach a monkey to scratch his butt, just tell him to watch you. After a couple of hours he should be a master at it.
meomwt		#158	[-]
Posts: 1127 (10/06/08 15:24:31) Mighty Eater Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Orcus wrote: meomwt wrote: <snip> There were a number of threads where Clark was defending the new game against the vitriol of the 3E types, and doing a great job, I'd like to say, that for him to turn round now and say this is almost a Damascene revolution. <snip> Look, I have not done a turn around. I just dont get this whole thought process. I support the 4E revolution. Still do. I believe in advancement of the game. You guys have seen my philosophy on this hundreds of times. But that said, even though I support 4E and advancement doesnt mean that I have to find that 100% of 4E is good and that, by supporting advancement, I am somehow prohibited from saying there are things about 4E that dont work. I am not "criticizing" 4E by saying there are things about it I dont like or things I think can be improved. Well, I guess in some sense I am, but then no game is perfect and I dont understand the mindset that requires me to support every part of 4E all the time under all circumstances and never say I want to change any part of it ever or I am "criticizing" and a "hater" and "anti-4E" and "have done a turn around." Clark Well, I did say you'd done a turn-around. Apologies for that: I realise now that it wasn't exactly the case. I understand where you've come from in terms of the 4E RAW and wanting to change things once you'd played them. I'm like that myself, but not as talented a writer or rules-guy as the Necro team. Most of the time I get ideas, but don't have time to hone them and make them work. There is some good stuff in 4E, make no bones about it. I kinda like the way Magic Items work. I love the encounter design methodology and the idea of Monster Types (Lurkers, Brutes, etc.). There's some cool stuff in the traps, too. It just seems, to me, that most of the cool stuff in in the DMG right now. All the cool stuff I'm planning to strip-mine for use in 3.5E, however, when I'm writing my own adventures. Which isn't often, it has to be said. Anyway, courtesy of The Demon Lord himself, I get a cool addition to my sig. Thank you, good sir. Orcus wrote: Meomwt is a cool guy. ----------------------------------- Accuracy is our watchwurd.
TheRavyn		#159	[-]
Posts: 1430 (10/06/08 15:37:00) Vampire Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Snoring Rock wrote: The dwarf looks right proud to be there in his undies. Boxer-Briefs: The number one choice of fantasy PCs everywhere! PFRPG is great book, though, imo anyways. Dungeons and Dragons: Rules for Fantastic Medieval Wargames Campaigns Playable with Paper and Pencil and Miniature Figures (from cover of 1974 boxed set) Join the O.A.F - Old School 4E Needs You!
Dark Mistress		#160	[-]
Posts: 1481 (10/06/08 15:38:46) Dominatrix Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	TheRavyn wrote: Snoring Rock wrote: The dwarf looks right proud to be there in his undies. Boxer-Briefs: The number one choice of fantasy PCs everywhere! PFRPG is great book, though, imo anyways. Well maybe dwarves don't have much in the way of need for support... just saying... Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. Benjamin Franklin For MSG - I am sure you can teach a monkey to scratch his butt, just tell him to watch you. After a couple of hours he should be a master at it.

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