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Pierce Inverarity	Compatibility of old and new CSIO?	Lead	[-]
Posts: 8 Jul 26 07 9:33 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Tags : None How much changed from Judges' Guild to Necromancer? Could I readily use the players' and judges' maps for the d20 version, or have tons of locations been shifted around, modified etc.?
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robertsconley	Re: Compatibility of old and new CSIO?	#1	[-]
Posts: 525 Jul 27 07 5:25 AM Spectre Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	The organization between the two is different. Necromancer uses a numbered map key. The layout between the two is 99% the same. I ought to know because I am the sucker that proof read the damned thing. Frankly the new map is superior in clarity to the old judges map. I can't see using the old Judges map in actual play. The only things the older map has going for it is size, if you have the bigger version, and the parchment feel. The old player's map is still somewhat useful if you can get it photocopied.
Pierce Inverarity	Re: Compatibility of old and new CSIO?	#2	[-]
Posts: 8 Jul 27 07 8:40 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Thanks, Rob! But... I looked at the new CSIO more closely yesterday, and man... that map is tiny. And the numbering of locations is only "kind of" in sequence--it's not complete chaos, but almost. Also, it has a grid but its squares are not keyed, so the grid does nothing. How do people use that thing in play? If players ask: We're in location 178, where's the next interesting tavern?--then you're in trouble. Unless you know the city inside out.
robertsconley	Re: Compatibility of old and new CSIO?	#3	[-]
Posts: 525 Jul 27 07 9:49 AM Spectre Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	You need a another type of index that is neither in the original or in the new version. Basically a reverse index that catagorizes the locations. Or DM it for 20 years. <ducks One was made in pegasus 4 in Hanging Out in City-State. Rob Conley
Pierce Inverarity	Re: Compatibility of old and new CSIO?	#4	[-]
Posts: 8 Jul 27 07 10:01 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I hate saying this, but you know what was a good city? ("Good" as in extremely playable.) TSR's City of Greyhawk box, circa late 1980s. Yes, as a setting it was vanilla bland, but besides its regular map it had this beeyootiful "map painting"--an oblique bird's eye view of the city, including every single building, in full color. So, players could look at that, and say: Let's see, we are in this little shack over HERE... Gee, that pentagram-shaped temple at the cross street looks interesting--let's check it out.
leadjunkie	Re: Compatibility of old and new CSIO?	#5	[-]
Posts: 3705 Jul 27 07 11:08 AM Necromancer Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Go check out the product support and fan download sections of the Necromancer/judges guild website. An index similar to the one being discussed has been done. Edit: link www.judgesguild.com/fans/..._guide.pdf also useful - NPC list with building names and numbers www.judgesguild.com/fans/csio_npcs.xls
robertsconley	Re: Compatibility of old and new CSIO?	#6	[-]
Posts: 525 Jul 27 07 12:53 PM Spectre Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	If I had the money and time to buy the rights and publish. I would do CSIO in detail like this www.lythia.com/modules.ph...it&lid=247 www.lythia.com/modules.ph...it&lid=248 www.lythia.com/modules.ph...it&lid=249
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Zulgyan	Re: Compatibility of old and new CSIO?	#7	[-]
Posts: 318 Jul 27 07 1:01 PM Wraith Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Publish that under another name!! Thanks for the great stuff. I can use it other cities of mine! Seriusly, publish something.
robertsconley	Re: Compatibility of old and new CSIO?	#8	[-]
Posts: 525 Jul 27 07 4:01 PM Spectre Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	www.columbiagames.com www.lythia.com www.harnforum.com you may not want to use Harn as a whole but it is filled with great bits that you can use in your game.
Treebore	Re: Compatibility of old and new CSIO?	#9	[-]
Posts: 8667 Jul 27 07 4:50 PM Scribe of the Unending Word Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	St-Pierre wrote those, not Robert. Another author on Lythia I am taking a liking to has the last name of Bell. Tons of excellent stuff to use on Lythia. Harn is top notch over all. Noble Knight Games has them at a little discount.
Deepfire	pavis	#10	[-]
Posts: 98 Sep 3 07 3:21 AM Mad Collector Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	nice pdfs - old RuneQuests PAVIS is made like that.
kirybye	Re: pavis	#11	[-]
Posts: 218 Sep 29 07 6:25 AM Ghoul Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I guess it does help to have run it for 20 years, but the wife is running the new CSIO with the original maps. They are much larger and this easier to read. It makes for easier game play. It does take some searching, but it does work. It is not seamless using the editions together but IMHO, they are compatible.
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