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abthesp	Witch Class - Divine or Arcane?	Lead	[-]
Posts: 4 Jan 11 06 8:29 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Tags : None I have a player who is interested in playing a Witch in a home game and asked some pertinent questions not covered in the player's guide. Is the witch a divine or arcane caster? You get spells like a Sorcerer (and have them based off of Charisma), but you get a domain and domain spells like a Cleric. When the Witch adds a domain are those spells gained from it considered divine and therefore are based off of Wisdom? or When you add those spells to your list are they then considered arcane based and therefore based off of Charisma? I haven't noticed any errata on this subject and was wondering how people handled it. A
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SeanIvan	Re: Witch Class - Divine or Arcane?	#1	[-]
Posts: 17 Jan 11 06 9:32 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I am waiting on my copy of the players guide... I got the boxed campaign set for christmas and I am eagerly waiting on stuff I ordered to get here so I can start working on moving my campaign/players over to it. Anyways.. Since I don't have the players guide yet I can not give an official answer but I know in the D&D DMG 3.5 (pg 175) it has a witch variant spell casting class. In it it has witches getting spells like a sorceror (spells per day/#spells known) and their spell casting stat being charisma. I don't know if the wilderlands witch is the same but the variant class in the DMG could be useful as background material.
SeanIvan	Re: Witch Class - Divine or Arcane?	#2	[-]
Posts: 17 Jan 11 06 9:39 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Doh I was wrong.. just browsed the forums here and the question was asked and answered under the topic "witch question" about 6 topics down. p096.ezboard.com/fnecroma...=131.topic Okay I will be quiet now and not try and answer any more questions till I get my stuff and go through it
abthesp	Re: Witch Class - Divine or Arcane?	#3	[-]
Posts: 4 Jan 11 06 10:44 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Yes, I've read that thread. But there's been no official answer. Was just looking for a more succint explanation from the PTB. A
thegrandoracle	Re: Witch Class - Divine or Arcane?	#4	[-]
Posts: 4062 Jan 11 06 11:25 AM Lead Demon Sage Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	My inclination is to define them completely as an arcane caster, even the added spells from declaring a patron entity. Simple and less opportunities for imbalancing. It is unlikely there will be an official answer in this topic. The errata thread above has a better chance. {added: opps, didn't notice this one never go restickied after the last board problems} Kevin Walker Sage to the Demon Lords
mtbdm	Are you a GOOD witch, or a BAD witch?	#5	[-]
Posts: 5605 Jan 11 06 11:29 AM Bastard Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I'd go divine--here's why: Arcane magic in D&D is taken from a "magic as a science" angle, like in the works of Vance and lots of other authors of that era--magic=superscience, the two are indistinguishable. Divine magic represents calling on some other power to gain spells. Pretty much all witches, in mythology, call on familiar spirits or spirits of nature or evil spirits in some way. That is where their powers are assumed to derive from. In late western tradition, they are most commonly said to call on demons or "the devil", for example. You don't have to make them declare a patron entity (though you may wish to make it an option with benefits). You can just say "they worship spirits" and leave it at that--sorta like the druid can just "worship nature" and get power from that. MtbDM Q: MtbDM, what is good in life? A: To crush the PCs, see their character sheets pile before you, and hear the lamentation of their players.
Treebore	Re: Are you a GOOD witch, or a BAD witch?	#6	[-]
Posts: 8667 Jan 11 06 3:49 PM Scribe of the Unending Word Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I would go with a divine version too, for the exact same reasons as above.
abthesp	Re: Are you a GOOD witch, or a BAD witch?	#7	[-]
Posts: 4 Jan 11 06 7:20 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	That's funny because my initial reaction was this: The writeup states they get spells like a sorcerer. That means their primary stat is Cha. If I add in the domain as divine spells and treat them as such the witch now has to have a decent Wis score to be able to cast them. Since most of their skills are based off of Cha I'd tend to think you should just add the domain spells to the characters spell list and base them off of Cha instead of Wis. Also, I like the idea of a witches power being fueled by her magnetism and force of personality. She channels the power she draws on through herself. As she grows in power and gets older she "uses up" her body and becomes more of a seasoned conduit to the power (divine, gaia, whatever) she taps into becoming the stereotypical twisted crone. However, since the writeup is unclear I'd like to know what the "official" decision is. In the age of d20 you really need to be clear about these things. There's less wiggle room these days to try things out since the rules really do depend on each other like a house of cards. (Only speaking from experience here having run a campaign where we tried a lot of home brew rules...it really doesn't work.) A
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mtbdm	Re: Are you a GOOD witch, or a BAD witch?	#8	[-]
Posts: 5605 Jan 12 06 12:39 PM Bastard Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I think there's equal support, in myth, to use wis or cha. I'd say WITCHever you choose, the added domain should go off the caster's prime att. MtbDM Q: MtbDM, what is good in life? A: To crush the PCs, see their character sheets pile before you, and hear the lamentation of their players.
keevan	Re: Are you a GOOD witch, or a BAD witch?	#9	[-]
Posts: 1599 Jan 12 06 2:36 PM Necromancer Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I played a witch for a while to great affect -- and while the class is closest in comparison to a sorceror, we (my DM and I) always played the character as a divine caster. I can certainly see arguments in both directions, but with the pact and other abilities, it made more sense for our campaign to make it a divine caster.
abthesp	Re: Are you a GOOD witch, or a BAD witch?	#10	[-]
Posts: 4 Jan 13 06 6:46 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	*Quote:* I think there's equal support, in myth, to use wis or cha. I'd say WITCHever you choose, the added domain should go off the caster's prime att. groan Oh man, you had to say that, didn't you? You are an evil, evil witch. A
mtbdm	Re: Are you a GOOD witch, or a BAD witch?	#11	[-]
Posts: 5605 Jan 13 06 9:22 AM Bastard Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	How'd you know? Actually I was a pagan high priest at one point in the 90s (like about half my frickin generation). And I'm pretty well acquainted with mythology pertaining to witches. Hey, does anyone have the environmental variant for the witch class in a desert environment? The sandWITCH? (I have a +18 in bad puns so I can elicit moans and groans at will.) "Tell me, how does that make you feel? And be honest, or I'll know." --the 6 fingered man "And you told me you wanted to eat up my sandwich." --Badly mis-quoted Bloc Party song MtbDM Q: MtbDM, what is good in life? A: To crush the PCs, see their character sheets pile before you, and hear the lamentation of their players.
keevan	Re: Are you a GOOD witch, or a BAD witch?	#12	[-]
Posts: 1599 Jan 13 06 12:52 PM Necromancer Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	GROAN
mtbdm	Re: Are you a GOOD witch, or a BAD witch?	#13	[-]
Posts: 5605 Jan 13 06 1:39 PM Bastard Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Maybe just "switch" for short, eh? Are craft skills taken by witches witchcraft? Would an abeil witch be a beewitch? MtbDM Q: MtbDM, what is good in life? A: To crush the PCs, see their character sheets pile before you, and hear the lamentation of their players.
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