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Keeper of the Dark Realms	Tome of Horror Errata	Lead	[-]
Posts: 4537 (11/28/02 07:57:02) Master of Rules and Sinister Beasts Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Tags : None [Please respond in this thread listing any and all errata you find for this product. As those errors or changes are noted and verified, I will update this post so that the verified errata will always be found here, on the first post. Hopefully, motivated fans will pull errata from other previous threads and post them here. Bill and Clark want our products to be as error free as possible and fully support posting and correcting of any mistakes you may find. We dont look at this as criticism, we look at is as a community pooling our collective brain power to make the products better.] Scott =============== The Creature Catalogue "Your #1 source for D&D 3E creatures" www.enworld.org/cc Necromancer Games www.necromancergames.com
Keeper of the Dark Realms	Re: Tome of Horror Errata	#1	[-]
Posts: 4537 (11/28/02 07:59:40) Master of Rules and Sinister Beasts Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	First, yes, I know about the typo on page 234 regarding the "slaad lord" I talked to Bill the other day about it, and we might actually keep it should the book get reprinted. Apparently it is catching on and people seem to be getting a kick outta the "15-foot tall black salad." Page 34: Caraytid Column, Shatter Weapons description: Change weapon bonus to enhancement bonus Page 40: Chrystone, Combat section, Shatter Weapons description: Change weapon bonus to enhancement bonus Page 42: The Clockworks: The warrior, parasite, and swarm should have fast healing, not regeneration. Change all instances of regeneration to fast healing. Page 85: Stat block, Orcus: His attack line should read Wand of Orcus +55/+50/+45/+40 melee for his wand attack. Page 86: Combat section, Orcus, Spells: Change 335th-level cleric to 35th-level cleric Page 87: Stat block, Pazuzu, Treasure: Change "lawful keen" to "chaotic keen" Page 87: Combat section, Chaotic Keen Greatsword: Change "Pazuzu's +3 greatsword" to "Pazuzu's +4 greatsword" Page 95: Combat section, Baaphel, Spell-Like Abilities: Baaphel can only use wish 1/day, not at will. Page 98: Combat section, Geryon, Spell-Like Abilities: Geryon can only use wish 1/day, not at will. Page 102: Combat section, Lucifer, Regeneration; Replace the text with Lucifer takes normal damage from holy and blessed weapons of at least +8 enhancement Page 103: Combat section, Moloch, Spell-Like Abilities: Moloch can only use wish 1/day, not at will. Page 131: Executioner's Hood, Combat Section, Engulf: The executioner's hood's grapple bonus should be +1. Page 168: Inphidian, Combat section, Blinding Spray: This abilitys range is not listed. Change the first part of the first sentence of the description to read Once per minute, to a range of 10 feet, the inphidian Page 171: Stat block, Monstrous Jellyfish, Saves: Change to Fort +3, Ref +2, Will +0 Page 206: Stat block, Obsidian Minotuar, Speed: Change 10 ft. to 20 ft. (cant run) Page 211: Orog Characters, replace the Chaos domain with the Law domain Page 216: Stat block, Protector: The protector's CR should be 7 (set it equal to its caster level for spells). Page 218: Stat block, Quickling: Replace the listed Natural Invisibility description with the following: Natural Invisibility (Ex): A quickling is effectively invisible when in its natural climate or when not moving. It loses this invisibility when it attacks. Page 237: Stat block, Giant Slug: There should be an entry for salt vulnerability in its Special Qualities line. The ability is described in the text under Combat but was omitted in the stat block Page 264: Stat block, Tsathar Scourge, Saves line: Replace Ref +7 with Ref +6 Page 283: Stat block, Yeti, Claw Damage: Change 1d6+6 to 1d6+4 Page 297: Stat block, Dire Bison, Saves: Will save should be +5 Page 298: Stat block, Dire Hippopotamus, Saves: Will save should be +7 Page 299: Stat block, Dire Porcupine, Saves: Will save should be +4 Page 300: Stat block, Dire Ram, Saves: Will save should be +4 Page 300: Stat block, Dire Sloth, Saves: Will save should be +7 Scott =============== The Creature Catalogue "Your #1 source for D&D 3E creatures" www.enworld.org/cc Necromancer Games www.necromancergames.com
DnDChick	Re: Tome of Horror Errata	#2	[-]
Posts: 10716 (11/28/02 09:13:30) Demon Queen of Templates Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Some told me about this on the EnWorld site: "Dire Animals gain the subtype Dire, but that was not included in the stat blocks." Edit: I just realized that Scott alread posted the save values changes. Erica (that chick that helps Scott ... ) The Creature Catalog (because it needed a woman's touch ... ) "Your #1 source for D&D 3E creatures" Necromancer Games: 3rd edition rules, 1st edition feel!
Ragathor	Re: Tome of Horror Errata	#3	[-]
Posts: 5803 (11/28/02 10:48:42) Death Knight Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Now while this is a judgement call, I think the Frost Man's ECL is really below the bare minimum... ECL 2 for a creature with 4 hit dice? At that level range, shouldn't ECL be at least as high as its hit dice?
Kobold Curry Chef	Re: Tome of Horror Errata	#4	[-]
Posts: 5677 (11/28/02 12:35:22) Death Knight Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Not necessarily. Depends on what else is going on with the creature...stat adjustments and other racial abilities can raise or lower a final ECL. I don't really think ECLs will be figured out properly for years. At least, not by Wizards, given how much they keep changing the values.
Ragathor	Re: Tome of Horror Errata	#5	[-]
Posts: 5803 (11/28/02 12:56:23) Death Knight Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Well, consider that said monster has got the skills, saves, and BAB of a 4-HD creature (+3 BAB... so if you took a fighter with this race you could be character level 3 with a +4 BAB!), +2 natural armor, +2 Dex, +2 Con (with no penalties), and 3 free cone-based area effect attacks per day (not horribly effective at high level, and probably the least significant factor here). While ECL is definitely more art than science, it certainly seems to me that this was an error rather than a judgement call.
tburdett	Didn't see this one listed...	#6	[-]
Posts: 10 (11/29/02 02:35:10) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Pg. 87 For Attacks and Damage it uses a +4 chaotic keen greatsword listed. For Treasure it the book shows a +4 lawful keen greatsword. In the second column where it actually describes the Chaotic Keen Greatsword it says that it's a +3 chaotic keen greatsword. Which one of these, if any, is correct?
Keeper of the Dark Realms	Re: Didn't see this one listed...	#7	[-]
Posts: 4537 (11/29/02 07:12:03) Master of Rules and Sinister Beasts Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Wow! Page 87 is ugly. It should be +4 chaotic keen greatsword. Scott =============== The Creature Catalogue "Your #1 source for D&D 3E creatures" www.enworld.org/cc Necromancer Games www.necromancergames.com
BOZ ummagumma	source corrections	#8	[-]
Posts: 864 (11/29/02 22:48:32) Vampire Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	reposted from earlier post: Fogwarden - first appeared in Dungeon magazine #54. Wood Giant - first appeared in Dragon #119 (1987) Sea Sprite - as far as i know, this one first appeared in Greyhawk Adventures (1988 ) although knowing Greyhawk monsters it was probably somewhere else first. Time Elementals - they were in Dragon 69 before the MM2. Thessalisk - appeared in MC3 (1989) as the thessaltrice Beast of Chaos - isn't this from one of the conversions on Scott's site? Eel, Giant Moray - aaah, ah! this did not come from the Monster Manual, but something much more recent - the Night Below boxed set. Dire Hippo (aka Behemoth) - didn't this appear in the original Monster Manual II? Animals - Ram first appeared in MM2, Barracude, Electric Eel, and Hippopotamus all came from the original MM. inaccuracies: Belabra - MC3 is copyright 1989. Cooshee - there is obviously something very wrong with the sources. just look at it and you'll see what i mean. notes: Cerberus first appeared in D&D (as far as i know) in Deities and Demigods (1980), but scott may have just converted this version from mythology. Stymphalian Birds were in Dragon #59, but i doubt scott was using that version. don't quote me on that. :)
Orcus	Re: source corrections	#9	[-]
Posts: 5262 (11/30/02 01:18:11) Demon Lord Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Glad to see the errata is coming in. This only makes the product better! BOZ, thanks for posting more accurate source references. Anyone else who knows more, please share it. Scott and I dont have every product ever (believe it or not) so we where limited to what we had for our research. We, of course, want to give proper credit so listing more accurate credits is very important to us. Clark
Keeper of the Dark Realms	Re: source corrections	#10	[-]
Posts: 4537 (11/30/02 11:03:56) Master of Rules and Sinister Beasts Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	*Quote:* notes: Cerberus first appeared in D&D (as far as i know) in Deities and Demigods (1980), but scott may have just converted this version from mythology. Stymphalian Birds were in Dragon #59, but i doubt scott was using that version. Right on both accounts Boz-man. But as you said, I converted Cerberus from mythology and the Stymphalian Bird from mythology as well. Scott =============== The Creature Catalogue "Your #1 source for D&D 3E creatures" www.enworld.org/cc Necromancer Games www.necromancergames.com
Dr Rictus	Re: Tome of Horror Errata	#11	[-]
Posts: 6 (12/05/02 08:03:51) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Page 34: Demon: Tsathogga (sic), Credit and copyright notice: No credit is given. Credit should say "Tsathoggua (under that name) originally appeared in 'The Mound,' by H.P. Lovecraft and Zealia Bishop." To the best of my knowledge this story is still under copyright by Arkham House, so a copyright notice should be included in the credit. The 15. Copyright Notice section should be ammended to say "Author Scott Greene, based on original material by H.P. Lovecraft and Zealia Bishop." As you may have guessed, I'm concerned about this one. I'd hate to think that "First Edition Feel" meant ripping off the Cthulhu Mythos, but at least when Deities and Demigods did it they gave credit where it was due. So, I must pose the question, does Chaosium (who actually have the RPG rights to the Cthulhu Mythos as far as I know) know about this? Does Necromancer actually have the rights to use this character?
Orcus	Re: Tome of Horror Errata	#12	[-]
Posts: 5262 (12/05/02 16:14:43) Demon Lord Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Actually, Tsathogga comes from Judges Guild. That is the demon god that the war band of Lokaug Vishnak worships (thus the name Lokaug for the high priest of Tsathogga in ToA). In addition, regarding HPL, the sad fact is that all (well, almost all) of HPL's content fell into the public domain years ago as a result of his estate not re-upping his rights or something like that. There is a similarly named god in one of the non-REHoward Conan pastiches too. Did they all borrow from HPL? Probably. Was that the source of our demon god? No. In fact, we created him from whole cloth based on the vague reference in JG. No credit was listed because it wasnt converted from any actually existing prior 1E creature. He isnt supposed to be an HPL frog, though I do see the similarities so he actually isnt based on the authors you list. Clark
cildarith	Re: Tome of Horror Errata	#13	[-]
Posts: 628 (12/05/02 17:25:39) Vampire Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	From the previous (non-stickied) thread: Aurumvorax: Originally appeared in S3: Expedition to the Barrier Peaks (Gary Gygax) Bat, Mobat: Originally appeared in S4: The Lost Caverns of Tsojcanth (Gary Gygax) Bloody Bones: Originally appeared in C5: The Bane of Llywelyn (Bob Blake). This one looks like a different monster, however. Boalisk: Did not appear in S4: The Lost Caverns of Tsojcanth Boggart: Originally appeared in WG4: The Forgotten Temple of Tharizdun (Gary Gygax) Cave Cricket: Originally appeared in S4: The Lost Caverns of Tsojcanth (Gary Gygax) Cerberus: Originally appeared in Deities & Demigods (James Ward, Robert Kuntz) Crystal Ooze: Originally appeared in S4: The Lost Caverns of Tsojcanth (Gary Gygax) Devil, Gorson: Originally appeared in Dragon #75 (Ed Greenwood) Dragonfly, Giant: Originally appeared in EX2: The Land Beyond the Magic Mirror (Gary Gygax) Dust Digger: Originally appeared in I3: Pharoah (Tracy & Laura Hickman) Elemental: Lightning Quasi-Elemental: Originally appeared in EX2: The Land Beyond the Magic Mirror (Gary Gygax) Elemental: Time Elemental: Originally appeared in Dragon #69 (Gary Gygax) Executioner's Hood: Originally appeared in EX1: Dungeonland (Gary Gygax) Forester's Bane (Snapper Saw): Originally appeared in S3: Expedition to the Barrier Peaks (Gary Gygax) Froghemoth: Originally appeared in S3: Expedition to the Barrier Peaks (Gary Gygax). Did not appear in S4 at all. Grippli: Originally appeared in Monster Cards: Set 1 (Brian Pitzer) Hangman Tree: Originally appeared in EX1: Dungeonland (Gary Gygax) Kelpie: Originally appeared in S2: White Plume Mountain (Lawrence Schick) Korred: Originally appeared in Monster Cards: Set 4 (Harold Johnson) Memory Moss: Originally appeared in Monster Cards: Set 4 (Lawrence Schick) Mihstu: Originally appeared in Monster Cards: Set 1 (David Cook) Mongrelman: Originally appeared in I1: Dwellers of the Forbidden City (David Cook) Mudman: Originally appeared in UK1: Beyond the Crystal Cave (Dave J. Browne, Tom Kirby and Graeme Morris) Neried: Originally appeared in C1: Hidden Shrine of Tamoachan (Harold Johnson & Jeff R. Leason) Oliphant: Originally appeared in EX2: The Land Beyond the Magic Mirror (Gary Gygax) Pech: Originally appeared in S4: The Lost Caverns of Tsojcanth (Gary Gygax) Squealer: Originally appeared in S3: Expedition to the Barrier Peaks (Gary Gygax) Tri-Flower Frond: Originally appeared in S3: Expedition to the Barrier Peaks (Gary Gygax) Tunnel Worm: Originally appeared in Monster Cards: Set 3 (Dave Sutherland) Wolf-In-Sheep's Clothing: Originally appeared in S3: Expedition to the Barrier Peaks (Gary Gygax) Wolfwere: Originally appeared in S4: The Lost Caverns of Tsojcanth (Gary Gygax)
Keeper of the Dark Realms	Re: Tome of Horror Errata	#14	[-]
Posts: 4537 (12/05/02 20:23:20) Master of Rules and Sinister Beasts Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	*Quote:* Bloody Bones: Originally appeared in C5: The Bane of Llywelyn (Bob Blake). This one looks like a different monster, however. New monster. Only the name is the same. *Quote:* Cerberus: Originally appeared in Deities & Demigods (James Ward, Robert Kuntz) Unrelated monster. I didnt convert it from DDG. *Quote:* Devil, Gorson: Originally appeared in Dragon #75 (Ed Greenwood) Again- only the name is the same. Totally different guy. Other than that...holy cow! I need to employ you (and listen more to Boz apparently) next time. Scott =============== The Creature Catalogue "Your #1 source for D&D 3E creatures" www.enworld.org/cc Necromancer Games www.necromancergames.com
Sword of Cyric	Re: Tome of Horror Errata	#15	[-]
Posts: 40 (12/06/02 05:39:52) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	The ToH refers several times to an SR roll but shouldn't it be a caster level check?
Dr Rictus	Re: Tome of Horror Errata	#16	[-]
Posts: 6 (12/06/02 07:58:26) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	"He isnt supposed to be an HPL frog, though I do see the similarities so he actually isnt based on the authors you list." Now you're talking nonsense. The fact that Necromancer wasn't aware that JG had copped the material from Lovecraft explains why there was no credit, but doesn't mean it "isn't based on" that original material. Anybody familiar with the mythos material would recognize Tsathoggua from the description in ToH (though the art doesn't match the description, being decidedly non-humanoid). To me all the poster's statement means is that Necromancer made a mistake which the poster is now unwilling to own up to. I'd suggest you think about the reasoning in that statement again. You can say "Scott Greene based the character on material from JG without reference to Lovecraft nor knowledge of where JG got it," but you cannot truthfully say the character "is not based" on Lovecraft & Bishop's work. As to the copyright issue, I am not a lawyer, but I suggest you consult one. If the best description you can give of the legal status of the material ends with "or something like that," you clearly haven't done the research you ought to be doing about this issue. All I know is that TSR seemed to think differently back when they pulled the Cthulhu mythos from reprintings of the 1E Dieties & Demigods book. In a nutshell, all legal issues aside, publishing a character based on another author's work and giving him or her no credit (particularly in a book which scrupulously gives credit to other others, thus actually suggesting that the uncredited material is original when it is not) is just plain wrong. If JG did it, then it was wrong when they did it too, and Necromancer should rightly have a bone to pick with them. But they should also do their best to correct the situation.
Pale Writer	Re: Tome of Horror Errata	#17	[-]
Posts: 6732 (12/06/02 13:09:13) Scribe of the Apocalypse Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Dr. Rictus, The poster, Orcus, is Clark Peterson, Co-Founder of Necromancer Games and he is a lawyer. I'm sure that they're legally covered on this one and would know whether or not certain aspects of the Cthulu mythos has fallen into the public domain. "And so he says, 'I don't like the cut of your jib.' And I go, I says, IT'S THE ONLY JIB I GOT, BABY!"
Dr Rictus	Re: Tome of Horror Errata	#18	[-]
Posts: 6 (12/06/02 14:55:37) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Noted. And I certainly do not wish any legal troubles on anybody. Also, I understand fully that necromancer had no wrongful intent on this. I'm just against taking credit for somebody else's work, and I've said my piece on that subject.
Dr Rictus	Re: Tome of Horror Errata	#19	[-]
Posts: 6 (12/06/02 15:04:07) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Note: the following is a matter of the design conventions in D&D, not of fact. As such I'm not sure if this is the thread to bring it up in or not. If this sort of commentary would be more useful someplace else, please let me know. On p. 266: Turtle, Giant Snapping. Should, I believe, be an animal, not a beast. Merely being giant in size does not make an animal a beast in D&D. If this change were made, then Hit Dice entry should be changed to "10d8 (115 hp)." Skill points would also be affected.
Dr Rictus	Re: Tome of Horror Errata	#20	[-]
Posts: 6 (12/06/02 15:09:51) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	p. 269: Undead Ooze. Hit Dice should say "6d12 (39 hp)." Undead have d12's, not d10's. This is probably an error left over from the Creature Catalog.

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