Necro and 4E -- post the GSL going live

Re: Necro and 4E -- post the GSL going live

feeds@yuku.com (Deepfire) — Fri, 04 Jul 2008 09:22:43 GMT

Treebore wrote:
Or my "revelation" is correct and they don't mean 4E D&D at all, but GURPS 4E.

"be still my beating heart" - that would be great

Re: Necro and 4E -- post the GSL going live

feeds@yuku.com (Philotomy Jurament) — Mon, 23 Jun 2008 15:46:07 GMT

Treebore wrote:
I am strongly suspecting Goodman is adapting a strategy similar to Judges Guild in the 80's. Dance around copyright law and avoid using Trademarks.

I hope this is the case; I've been wondering if someone would do that, and I want to see how it's implemented and received. Copyright law doesn't apply to game rules, so a judicious approach that avoids trademarks and textual...

Re: Necro and 4E -- post the GSL going live

feeds@yuku.com (TheRavyn) — Mon, 23 Jun 2008 12:37:08 GMT

There was some discussion of fair use laws and fanzine publishing loopholes when Goodman was doing their 1E conversions of DCCs, so I wonder if this isn't related to those loopholes somehow.

As to the backstock, Joe has come up with a (typically, for him) very creative way of disposing of it - boxed sets, reasonably priced, containing "adventure paths" of several Dungeon Crawl Classics. Good Stuff!

Re: Necro and 4E -- post the GSL going live

feeds@yuku.com (Sykoholic) — Mon, 23 Jun 2008 12:11:14 GMT

TheRavyn wrote:
The GSL is a list of rules/restrictions you have to follow if you want to put the words "Dungeons and Dragons" on a book for free and sell it for your own profit.

So what you're saying is that a company can publish 4E products but don't have to abide by the GSL if they don't put the words "Dungeons & Dragons" on the...

Re: Necro and 4E -- post the GSL going live

feeds@yuku.com (DaveMage) — Mon, 23 Jun 2008 11:58:36 GMT

They also may simply be using the OGL to make these products, or just using monsters that are real-world.

They are called "Dungeon Crawl Classics" and since I doubt Goodman wants to pulp their backstock, they are undoubtedly NOT using the GSL.

Re: Necro and 4E -- post the GSL going live

feeds@yuku.com (Treebore) — Mon, 23 Jun 2008 10:20:27 GMT

I am strongly suspecting Goodman is adapting a strategy similar to Judges Guild in the 80's. Dance around copyright law and avoid using Trademarks. Some seem to think its a hard dance to do, but with about 4 straightforward guidelines they should be pretty safe.

Or my "revelation" is correct and they don't mean 4E D&D at all, but GURPS 4E.

Re: Necro and 4E -- post the GSL going live

feeds@yuku.com (Sammilo) — Mon, 23 Jun 2008 07:55:07 GMT

Wow that is really awesome. So how are they doing it? Nowhere on the covers of these four adventures is posted the D&D logo. I do see though when you click on the description it says "Rules Set: 4e." Maybe they feel like they can just publish whatever they want as long as they don't explicitly state it is for 4e D&D?

Re: Necro and 4E -- post the GSL going live

feeds@yuku.com (TheRavyn) — Mon, 23 Jun 2008 03:33:31 GMT

Apparently Goodman has negotiated something different (or found a loophole), he's got stuff coming out by GenCon instead of waiting for the Oct 1st date listed in the GSL.

Re: Necro and 4E -- post the GSL going live

feeds@yuku.com (Philotomy Jurament) — Sun, 22 Jun 2008 19:26:14 GMT

TheRavyn wrote:

The GSL is a list of rules/restrictions you have to follow if you want to put the words "Dungeons and Dragons" on a book for free and sell it for your own profit. As under OGL, companies can still negotiate different terms, like Kenzer and Paizo had, for instance, but this would certainly (and fairly so) involve a fee or royalty.

Yeah, the...

Re: Necro and 4E -- post the GSL going live

feeds@yuku.com (TheRavyn) — Sun, 22 Jun 2008 06:56:17 GMT

Philotomy Jurament wrote:
I have no problem with a for-profit license; that doesn't mean I like all "for profit" licenses, though. I think the GSL is a poor one. If I were planning on supporting 4E as a business, I'd approach WotC and attempt to negotiate a different (i.e. custom) licensing arrangement.

The GSL is a list of rules/restrictions you have to follow if you want to put the...

Re: Necro and 4E -- post the GSL going live

feeds@yuku.com (Philotomy Jurament) — Sat, 21 Jun 2008 22:07:18 GMT

wyvern wrote:
There is a lot of emotion in the air, and apparently there is a lot of people who have never seen a for-profit (non-giving-away) license.

As I've said, before, I don't think the GSL is a good license, and wouldn't use it if I were building a business on it. I'd like to think I'm not clueless and using emotion to make that judgment, but with all this emotion in the air, it's...

Re: Necro and 4E -- post the GSL going live

feeds@yuku.com (wyvern) — Sat, 21 Jun 2008 07:29:34 GMT

I for one await Necromancer's 4e adventures.

There is a lot of emotion in the air, and apparently there is a lot of people who have never seen a for-profit (non-giving-away) license.

Thank you Clark for keeping a cool head.

Re: Necro and 4E -- post the GSL going live

feeds@yuku.com (see) — Sat, 21 Jun 2008 06:19:37 GMT

Just to point something out, since I haven't seen anybody mention it - anybody else notice free product is allowed before October 1st?

Re: Necro and 4E -- post the GSL going live

feeds@yuku.com (Mister Frau Blucher) — Sat, 21 Jun 2008 04:33:28 GMT

Thanks, Clark.

Hopefully there will be good news concerning Slumbering Tsar, as well, maybe through a similar lack of references.

DaveMage, do jedi mind tricks actually work on undead demon lords?
"These are not the rules you are looking for."

Re: Necro and 4E -- post the GSL going live

feeds@yuku.com (DaveMage) — Fri, 20 Jun 2008 12:09:21 GMT

*Waves hand*

Do Tegal for 3.5/Pathfinder

/jedi mind trick

Re: Necro and 4E -- post the GSL going live

feeds@yuku.com (Orcus) — Fri, 20 Jun 2008 08:07:23 GMT

Mister Frau Blucher wrote:
Thus spake Orcus:

"We anticipate the Iron Tower Adventure Path will be a 4E go. "

Clark, if you guys do this, will you be creating a new, separate world for it, maybe one that all your 4E stuff fits in, or will you make it as generic as possible, to fit in any world? I ask because whatever world background you create and publish will be forever tied to the GSL...

Re: Necro and 4E -- post the GSL going live

feeds@yuku.com (varianor) — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 19:52:51 GMT

Orcus wrote:
I happen to agree with this. It isnt as bad as it sounds. It just requires people to make some business decisions and to be smart about their properties--which is no different than you do whenever you license stuff.
...
Clark

However, didn't you also say on ENWorld that there are multiple clarifications pending? The "mom and pop" pdf store can't afford your rates,...

Re: Necro and 4E -- post the GSL going live

feeds@yuku.com (Pale Writer) — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 14:08:25 GMT

No "Tome of Horrors 4E"... heh, the book I was looking forward to the most.

No way to get a special deal to do that, Clark?

Re: Necro and 4E -- post the GSL going live

feeds@yuku.com (LibertonPC) — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 13:52:50 GMT

I hope the quality publishers get what they deserve. It might cut out the not quality publishers though. That might be a good thing. I wouldn't support 4e just because I don't want to invest in it. But a few of our group is already really into 4e and are looking forward to it. So more power to them. I would look forward to the NG adventure path. That would be awesome and might be the only thing I would consent to run in 4e.

Re: Necro and 4E -- post the GSL going live

feeds@yuku.com (Snoring Rock) — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 08:19:46 GMT

Yes, yes, Iron Tower Adventure Path 4e in a brand new, crisp 4e world, yes my Precious.....

And do Tegel Manor in 3.5/Pathfinder. Its all clear now, the path is clear....now follow it.

Everyone will be so happy! The best of both worlds! Those two SEPARATE product lines, one in 4e and one in 3.5 it good.

Necro and 4E -- post the GSL going live

feeds@yuku.com (Orcus) — Wed, 18 Jun 2008 09:46:47 GMT

OK, everyone settle down.

There seems to be a lot of speculation that I am "shaken" by the GSL and that maybe Necro will be going Pathfinder.

I am not shaken by the GSL. It is pretty much what I expected. It has a couple twists (such as the convert and cant go back provision). It has a few things I want clarified (does the "cant go back to OGL" also apply to new 4E products that werent conversions? why are the specific demons and devils in the SRD? what...