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        <title>HOLY FRAK PAIZO! </title>
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        <![CDATA[ I was sure Paizo was going to give as good a price as possible on their new 600 page full color Pathfinder RPG PDF, but I did not
expect, or even dream, that it would only be TEN DOLLARS!!!!



10 frikkin dollars!



Ten!!&#39;



Stunning!



Plus PF RPG subscribers get it free. Those who get the subscriber discount, but are NOT subscribing to the RPG line still get their 15% off, so $8.50 for a 600
page full color core rule book.


Abso frikkin lutely STUNNING! ]]>
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			<title><![CDATA[ Re: HOLY FRAK PAIZO!  ]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[ We&#39;ve been told that rage points are not in the final version of the rules. ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ Friend of mine who has looked through the Pazio rules has talked about how weird the rules can be. Barbarian get rage points, and they can spend them to get
things like flaming teeth! Quite the change from things like extra STR in 3.5 and the &#39;I get even scarier/tougher&#39; in Iron Heroes. ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote>
  <strong class="quote-title">Elton Robb wrote:</strong>
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  Well, like I said, I wish some stringent limitations would be put on Copyright. For companies like WotC, I&#39;m advocating the run of the publication + 7
  months. So, 3E would be public domain by now, since WotC refuses to publish it.
</blockquote>Yeah, it would be nice if they would put clear limitations on that. Copyright lasts over a 100 years now, but if they don&#39;t publish it for 90
out of those 100 years... ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ Well, like I said, I wish some stringent limitations would be put on Copyright. For companies like WotC, I&#39;m advocating the run of the publication + 7
months. So, 3E would be public domain by now, since WotC refuses to publish it. ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ Yeah Ravyn I agree PF is a bigger threat but my only point was i am not sure if their is anything legally WotC can do about any of them. Unless they make a
mistake of course. ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ hmm. [libertarian] Down with overextended copyright and patent law![/libertarian] ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote>
  <strong class="quote-title">Dark Mistress wrote:</strong>
  <hr>
  Plus their is legal as in what you can get away with and then legal as in the spirit of the law. If I had to guess and this is just a wild guess. i think for
  Clark it might be this. The OSRIC is following the letter of the law while stomping on the spirit of the law. Since to be fair the OGL was designed for
  people to support DnD 3e not previous ones. So while it might be legal, it also might be going... ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote>
  <strong class="quote-title">Dark Mistress wrote:</strong>
  <hr>
  Plus their is legal as in what you can get away with and then legal as in the spirit of the law. If I had to guess and this is just a wild guess. i think for
  Clark it might be this. The OSRIC is following the letter of the law while stomping on the spirit of the law. Since to be fair the OGL was designed for
  people to support DnD 3e not previous ones. So while it might be legal, it also might be going... ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ Plus their is legal as in what you can get away with and then legal as in the spirit of the law. If I had to guess and this is just a wild guess. i think for
Clark it might be this. The OSRIC is following the letter of the law while stomping on the spirit of the law. Since to be fair the OGL was designed for people
to support DnD 3e not previous ones. So while it might be legal, it also might be going against the spirit of the law.
<br>
<br>
Just a guess. ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ I&#39;m not about to debate the legalities of retroclones as IANAL- I&#39;ll save that for them- the fact remains that there are people who are intimately more
familiar with law than I am that think it&#39;s not terribly legal, and those (who usually have an &quot;investment&quot; in them somehow) who feel they are
completely legal. Thats enough for me to be doubtful (despite the fact I enjoy the snot out of them).
<br>
<br>
What I&#39;m trying to say is, If the OSR movement starts to become... ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote>
  <strong class="quote-title">JeffB wrote:</strong>
  <hr>
  The fact that OSRIC/LL/S&amp;W are more direct &quot;lifts&quot;/get into some very grey legal area and are now seeing a more varied distribution other than
  POD from Lulu (Amazon, etc) AND being sold for profit may tempt WOTC to re-examine the legalities. BFRPG has little to worry about, IMO as Chris is selling
  those books for cost/no profit. As much as love my retroclones, If I were WOTC, I&#39;d at least have my... ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ Yeah, PF is clearly protected by the OGL. I am not sure there would even be a case against OSRIC, etc.... I know Clark claimed, and still thinks, OSRIC is a
poisoned fish. At least the last thing I remember seeing him post about it. However OSRIC should also be protected by the OGL just as much as any other OGL
derived game.
<br>
<br>
Personally I would think if OSRIC was illegal WOTC would have already done something. So personally I think they would be fine publishing for profit, but like
I... ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote>
  <strong class="quote-title">leadjunkie wrote:</strong>
  <hr>

  <blockquote>
    <strong class="quote-title"><strong class="quote-title">JeffB</strong> wrote:</strong>
    <hr>
    As a slight tangent to the PDF thing-
    <br>
    <br>
    Back in 2002, I played in a group where 2 of the 5 people (including the DM) constantly had their nose in a laptop reading off things, referencing, etc
    etc. I left after a few sessions.
  </blockquote>I would find that off putting too.... ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote>
  <strong class="quote-title">TheRavyn wrote:</strong>
  <hr>

  <blockquote>
    <strong class="quote-title">Treebore wrote:</strong>
    <hr>
    the question is will WOTC challenge them?
    <br>
  </blockquote>
  <br>
  To what end? I&#39;d be more worried about Pathfinder, its likely to register more of a blip on WotC&#39;s sales figures.
  <br>
</blockquote>
<br>
I don&#39;t think PF has anything to worry about since it really doesnt &quot;straddle&quot; the imaginary line... ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote>
  <strong class="quote-title">TheRavyn wrote:</strong>
  <hr>

  <blockquote>
    <strong class="quote-title">Treebore wrote:</strong>
    <hr>

    <blockquote>
      <strong class="quote-title">Philotomy Jurament wrote:</strong>
      <hr>
      *free* PDFs: 400 pg OSRIC, Swords &amp; Wizardry, Labyrinth Lord, BFRPG, Monsters of Myth, etc.)
    </blockquote>
    <br>
    Yep, and the ONLY reason they are free is to enable them to avoid copyright lawsuits. If they weren&#39;t so... ]]></description>

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  <strong class="quote-title">Treebore wrote:</strong>
  <hr>
   the question is will WOTC challenge them?
  <br>
</blockquote>
<br>
To what end? I&#39;d be more worried about Pathfinder, its likely to register more of a blip on WotC&#39;s sales figures.
<br> ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote>
  <strong class="quote-title">Treebore wrote:</strong>
  <hr>

  <blockquote>
    <strong class="quote-title">Philotomy Jurament wrote:</strong>
    <hr>
    *free* PDFs: 400 pg OSRIC, Swords &amp; Wizardry, Labyrinth Lord, BFRPG, Monsters of Myth, etc.)
  </blockquote>
  <br>
  Yep, and the ONLY reason they are free is to enable them to avoid copyright lawsuits. If they weren&#39;t so concerned about that they would charge even for
  the PDF&#39;s, so <span style="font-weight:... ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ I am perfectly aware. and aware that OSRIC, etc... is not sold at a profit. Now when Swords and Wizardry goes out into the retail channel, which I also knew
about, that will be interesting to watch. Then again, since I own the originals, and a print copy of S&amp;W, I think they are different enough to viably deny
copyright infringement. I am no Judge, or lawyer, for that matter, but I am far more intimately familiar with copyright, and trademark law than most people,
but I think they are... ]]></description>

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  <strong class="quote-title">Treebore wrote:</strong>
  <hr>

  <blockquote>
    <strong class="quote-title">Philotomy Jurament wrote:</strong>
    <hr>

    <blockquote>
      <strong class="quote-title">Prismatic DM wrote:</strong>
      <hr>
      I think anyone who pays MORE than $10 for a PDF -- any PDF, not just Paizo stuff -- is off their rocker.
    </blockquote>
    <br>
    Yeah, I agree. (And I note that many systems/books are available in print for $$$ but with... ]]></description>

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  <strong class="quote-title">Philotomy Jurament wrote:</strong>
  <hr>

  <blockquote>
    <strong class="quote-title">Prismatic DM wrote:</strong>
    <hr>
    I think anyone who pays MORE than $10 for a PDF -- any PDF, not just Paizo stuff -- is off their rocker.
  </blockquote>
  <br>
  Yeah, I agree. (And I note that many systems/books are available in print for $$$ but with *free* PDFs: 400 pg OSRIC, Swords &amp; Wizardry, Labyrinth Lord,
  BFRPG, Monsters of Myth, etc.)... ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ <span class="postbody">I was sure Paizo was going to give as good a price as possible on their new 600 page full color Pathfinder RPG PDF, but I did not
expect, or even dream, that it would only be TEN DOLLARS!!!!
<br>
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10 frikkin dollars!
<br>
<br>
<br>
Ten!!&#39;
<br>
<br>
<br>
Stunning!
<br>
<br>
<br>
Plus PF RPG subscribers get it free. Those who get the subscriber discount, but are NOT subscribing to the RPG line still get their 15% off, so $8.50 for a 600
page full color core... ]]></description>

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