Orcus wrote:

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OK guys. I am getting ready to jump into 4E (and Pathfinder too, settle down).

Here is my plan: I am going to create "Classic 4E": a set of alternate content for 4E to replicate the old school way of playing D&D. It will work in conjunction with the 4E PHB.

It will contain the classic... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (CapnZapp) http://necromancergames.yuku.com/topic/10634 Wed, 15 Apr 2009 00:06:46 GMT http://necromancergames.yuku.com/topic/10618/t/4E-Classic-beta-pdf.html ]]> feeds@yuku.com (TheRavyn) http://necromancergames.yuku.com/topic/10618 Thu, 09 Apr 2009 17:15:45 GMT http://necromancergames.yuku.com/topic/10606/t/Good-Luck-guys.html
I won't be contributing further to these threads or purchasing Classic 4E, or any 4E related products for that matter. I encourage all of you to support Paizo and the Open Gaming community.

Ken
]]> feeds@yuku.com (kenmckinney) http://necromancergames.yuku.com/topic/10606 Mon, 06 Apr 2009 22:02:14 GMT http://necromancergames.yuku.com/topic/10595/t/Surges-and-their-triggers-limits-on-healing.html
Not sure this applies to 4E Classic, but as I am speaking to a crowd of brilliant minds who are also open to change, I thought to hear your opinion.

1) There ought to be a limit to the number of surges you can use in any given encounter.
2) The consequence for... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (CapnZapp) http://necromancergames.yuku.com/topic/10595 Thu, 02 Apr 2009 13:33:09 GMT http://necromancergames.yuku.com/topic/10592/t/Let-39-s-talk-about-some-example-powers.html
To avoid copyright infringement, I'll describe the effect of a power, rather than print the power itself. I'll throw out some... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Puggs) http://necromancergames.yuku.com/topic/10592 Wed, 01 Apr 2009 20:39:40 GMT http://necromancergames.yuku.com/topic/10576/t/Some-design-issues.html
1. Why no class features beyond first level? Why no more "At 3rd level, the ranger gains XYZ." Sure, you get powers, but powers dont really serve as a good vehicle to provide a continuous bonus or bump or feature (such as a +2 to tracking, or a new favored enemy [if that were a class feature, for instance; I know it isnt now, dont post saying favored enemy isnt a class feature]).

2. Why no more at will... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Orcus) http://necromancergames.yuku.com/topic/10576 Fri, 27 Mar 2009 09:02:34 GMT http://necromancergames.yuku.com/topic/10574/t/List-5-things-from-1E-you-d-like-to-see-in-4E.html ]]> feeds@yuku.com (TheRavyn) http://necromancergames.yuku.com/topic/10574 Thu, 26 Mar 2009 14:13:01 GMT http://necromancergames.yuku.com/topic/10572/t/What-about-the-classic-Bard-.html
That's what really made the class worthwhile in 1E. Plus you really felt that you accomplished something when you attained the Bard Class (if you ever made it there). Think that there's any way to effectively do it as one class instead of the 4E prestige class format?
]]> feeds@yuku.com (Pale Writer) http://necromancergames.yuku.com/topic/10572 Wed, 25 Mar 2009 20:25:08 GMT http://necromancergames.yuku.com/topic/10567/t/The-Classic-Druid.html
1. True Neutral alignment.... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Narfellus) http://necromancergames.yuku.com/topic/10567 Mon, 23 Mar 2009 05:05:58 GMT http://necromancergames.yuku.com/topic/10563/t/Advanced-Player-s-Guide-and-Classic-4E-.html The material in the APG was originally supposed to be a Necromancer product. Designed to essentially "fill in the blanks" for those classes/races that were not going to be in the 4E PHB.

Ultimately, it ended up being published by another company but I think Ari did a great job giving us versions of... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Elodan) http://necromancergames.yuku.com/topic/10563 Sat, 21 Mar 2009 08:35:37 GMT http://necromancergames.yuku.com/topic/10561/t/Initial-design-scope-of-4E-Classic.html
It needs to have the iconic four races: Elf, Dwarf, Human, Halfling.
It needs to have the iconic four classes: Fighting Man, Priest, Magic-User, Thief.

Anything else on the race/class is just gravy. I'm not saying I'm against more options, I'm saying we should focus getting these eight elements right before we get fancy.

After all, these eight elements cover pretty much every... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (CapnZapp) http://necromancergames.yuku.com/topic/10561 Fri, 20 Mar 2009 05:16:46 GMT http://necromancergames.yuku.com/topic/10559/t/The-CLASSIC-Barbarian.html
Some features of interest about the Classic Barbarian

1. Limited in ability to use magic items.
2. No magical effects (No lightning field, no thunder hawk stuff)
3. Level limits on association with beings who use magic regularly (mages, sorcerors etc)
4. Bonuses that allow the non magic using Barbarian to hit Magical creatures.
5. AC... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Ifuritasfan) http://necromancergames.yuku.com/topic/10559 Tue, 17 Mar 2009 16:40:43 GMT http://necromancergames.yuku.com/topic/10547/t/lack-of-consensus-on-what-needs-fixing.html
Some people want a very simulationist game. Some people are very high fantasy.
Some people want the grid. Some people hate it.
Some people want something reall rules light. Others like the complexity 3E had.
Some people think the fighter needs to change the most. Others think it should be the wizard.

It seem like it would take 2 or more separate games to... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (kenmckinney) http://necromancergames.yuku.com/topic/10547 Sat, 14 Mar 2009 08:34:24 GMT http://necromancergames.yuku.com/topic/10541/t/Encounter-daily-resource-management-for-Classic-classes-.html
My own inclination is to say that this is a piece of 4E tech that can & should be discarded or radically altered. The player-side management of class powers... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Tavis) http://necromancergames.yuku.com/topic/10541 Thu, 12 Mar 2009 22:39:51 GMT http://necromancergames.yuku.com/topic/10537/t/Rangers-can-they-track-.html
But lots of fighting powers!

This is what I am talking about with 4E. Its not just monsters. All the non-combat powers are gone and I dont like that. ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Orcus) http://necromancergames.yuku.com/topic/10537 Wed, 11 Mar 2009 20:46:17 GMT http://necromancergames.yuku.com/topic/10532/t/Strongholds.html
At this point, it really is a first draft. I think it could be improved in several ways:

• Making the Properties gained at each rank random.
• Making a table for trials and tribulations that occur every so often.

Looking at ways that other games - http://necromancergames.yuku.com/topic/10532 Tue, 10 Mar 2009 20:33:33 GMT